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Spain claims $500 million in sunken treasure

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Subject: Re: Spain claims $500 million in sunken treasure
From: George Myers Reply-To: Underwater Archaeology Discussion List
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 07:14:59 -0700

June 2 Native Americans “granted” citizenship, 1924
Google calender: created by: Misc. history

What also complicates “Spain” is the the southern “kingdom” of Andalusia, which was held by the Moors and then in treaty joined into the “Spain” (as reported anyway) by an important treaty with Castille, for whom Christopher Columbus (“The Admiral of All the Oceans” a title they would never grant him, though he pursued it) ? It might explain “New World” maize in Arab botanical tracts and represented in some sculpture in India, though both hard to date I was told. Maybe the world was interested in “lunch” at the Castillo de Jaguar, as some European famines have been served later, by wheat from a monopoly in the Hudson River valley, sold as “hard tack”. (“The Marine Society of the City of New York – 1770-1995 – A Concise History” by Gerald J. Barry)

Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:31:20 -0700

I was thinking of a few things, how irrigation techniques and the cultural implications of Cordova and other places in Spain that fell in the unification and whether there may have been a parallel problem in agriculture, in themes of the “origin of the state” and Karl Wittfogel’s “hydraulic hypothesis” wherein places like China developed the earliest civil service to manage water resources, as similar research on irrigation in Peru might show there and in Mexico. In the history of the Marine Society of the City of New York, there is a reference to an earlier time in which it is there cited:

Bread Basket of the Western World

The most significant period of the port’s development lay between the years 1815 and 1860. But before we look at those exciting years let’s glimpse at the first real prosperity enjoyed by New Yorkers.

In 1678, four years after the Dutch surrendered New Amsterdam to the British, the harbor was said to be home to only three ships, eight sloops, and seven boats, evidence, perhaps, that beaver-skin exports hadn’t been much of a business. Sixteen years later the totals had soared to 60 ships, 62 sloops, and 40 boats. In between those years, New York had become America’s bread basket. Much of the additional shipping in the harbor was needed to carry flour, bread, and hardtack along the Atlantic seaboard and to the West Indies and southern Europe.

The Dutch had created a market for New York bread and flour but it was an uneven one until the first English governor Major Edmund Andros, decided in 1678 to standardize and increase production. He achieved this by granting to a few leading citizens exclusive milling and baking rights to the wheat grown in the Hudson Valley. Although the monopoly lasted until only 1694, flour was to be New York’s most valuable export for more than a century. Testimony to its importance is found today on the flag of the City of New York which shows a windmill, beavers, and two flour barrels. – (Ibid. p.20)

I read further some of the history and the exclusive milling rights were granted to a “German” around near today’s West Point Military Academy adjacent in Highland Falls, NY. It’s also a leap, since Spain once ruled the Netherlands and was arguably important in the unification of their states seen in an early coin found at the “Augustine Heerman Warehouse Site” (he an ambassador from Maryland, who may have introduced tobacco to the Dutch) in a winter excavation in lower Manhattan. That other agricultural product has come to dominate historical research.

Added: I like to add that if “Odyssey” is the same people that came to the “Ronson Ship” in the winter excavations at the “175 Water Street Site” (Joan Geismar, PhD, et al., ca. 1983) that hired a hydraulic scaffold to photograph/film the ship-hulk or a film they were making to document the “18th century trailer truck” and the crew was paid a legal $0.25 to appear in the film…is there some place I could see the footage?

I was in the last of three backhoe trenches that found it the “deep tests” permitted with a small backhoe, where in trench #2 were some nice large pieces of “brain coral” probably part of the ballast master’s deposits (one of three known nearby).

Subject: Dutch routes to New Amsterdam
Underwater Archaeology Discussion List
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:28:02 -0700

This new research tool Concharto ( just displayed the locations and sea route of the Dutch to the New Amsterdam colony locations at Fort Nassau and Fort Orange. New Amsterdam colony


Written by georgejmyersjr

05/31/2008 at 2:45 pm

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